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Re: Bosansko porijeklo
Eh hmmmmmmmmmm ako ti nije jasno ili mislis da je naziv Ilir za plemena nasih prostora,nekako samoinicijativno upotrijebljen u mom postu,onda ti preporucujem procitati knjigu:
"BOSNA I HERCEGOVINA U ANTICKO DOBA"
-autor Ivo Bojanovski (Akademija nauka i umjetnosti Bosne i Hercegovina,Centar za Balkanoloska pitanja);
-izdato 1988,Sarajevo;
Ta knjiga iznosi osnovne smjernice drustveno-politickog i kulturnog razvoja Bosne i Hercegovine u rimsko doba.
Nekada ranije osnovne rezultate svojih arheloskih istrazivanja opisao je Patsch jos 1911. g. u svom predavanju "Bosna i Hercegovina u rimsko doba".Kasnije se pojavljuje njegovo djelo "Herzegowina einst und jetzt"-usmjereno samo na Hercegovinu i to 1922. g.Onda dolazi Sergejevski "Doba rimske vladavine" 1955.g. i jos par djela koji su doprinijeli jasnijoj spoznaji Bosne i Herzegovine u rimsko doba.
Jako bitno za znati!Jer u tom slucaju se ne moze destiti,da neko napise komentar za Ilire kao sto ga ti Hmmmmmmmmm dade.
Ali i za ovaj komentar ti stoji odgovor gore u mom postu(ako si ga detaljno procitao).Tamo gdje spominjem naziv Iliri naglasavam da se radi o samo imenu koje se sirilo.Plemena gdje je sada teritorijalno Albanija,odnosno na samom njenom jugu su ponijela/dobila to ime u rimsko doba.Ime se sirilo i vremenom obuhvatilo i podrucje Bosne i Hercegovine.Tako se narod na cjelom podrucju nazivao Iliri i drugi su ih nazivali Ilirima.Bas onako kako se nazivaju oni koji ce kasnije doci na Balkanski poluotok,dakle Slaveni.
Hmmmmmmm ne radi se ovdje o naciji,vec narodu.
E sad Hmmmmmmmmm tema ti nije interesantna,na zalost jer bih voljela cuti na temelju cega ti tvrdis da smo mi svi Slaveni!
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Re: Re: Bosansko porijeklo
Draga Norra,
rado bih procitao pomenutu literaturu, ali stvarno sad nemam ni vremena za citanje a ni prilike lagano nabaviti istu ovdje u Americi. Naziv cu zapamtiti, pa cu pokusati nekada kasnije da je procitam--nadam se da ce prilike to dozvoljavati. Zahvaljujem na savjetu.
Istina, ni na istoriji, a posebno nasoj, kao ni na onoj genetici, nisam apsolvirao, tako da su moja stanovista ogranicena odredjenim znanjem...Tema o bosanskom porijeklu (a posebno o nasoj etnogenezi) mi jeste interesantna, ali tema o odredjivanju porijekla po prezimenima ima mnogo nedostataka (mislim da je kod nas svaka tema ispolitizirana i ucinjena kontradiktorna, pa stoga i moja sljedeca konstatacija: izostavljena cinjenica je da se polovina ili vise od polovine bosanaca izjasnjava kao Hrvati ili Srbi, koji bi vec mogli imati drugacije vidjenje "bosanskoga" porijekla)... Licno, rekoh vec jednom da se o svemu treba otvoreno razgovarati, pa i o ovome...pa, eto, bujrum. Obzirom da covjek prioretizira u zivotu, definisanje bosanskog porijekla po prezimenu mi nije dovoljno interesantno (i dovoljno ubjedljivo) da bih trosio mnogo vremena elaborirajuci u detalje o njoj. Hvala i pozdrav
[Edited by Hmmmm! on 17-12-2003 at 04:53 GMT]
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Re: Re: Bosansko porijeklo
citat:
Hmmmm! wrote:
Mislim da je pomalo apsurdno generalizirati povezanost Bosnjaka (a posebno svih Bosanaca) sa semitskim narodima kao sto su Arapi, jer je ocigledno da po nekoj specificnoj fizionomiji vise slice ostalim slavenskim (i opcenito indo-europskim) narodima. Velika vecina Bosanaca je slavenskog porijekla, sto je neupitno, dok, naravno, kao i svugdje, tu ima i, hajde da kazemo, genetskih uticaja ostalih. Mislim, hajde, ljudi mogu i trebaju o svemu pricati, ali bas dovoditi u pitanje slavensko porijeklo bosanaca je malo pretjerano. Pored toga, mislim da i samo povezivanje sa arapima dovodi u pitanje autohtonost Bosnjaka u Bosni--na cemu bi osobe tipa Karadzica voljele politicki da kapitaliziraju. Moja je hipoteza da su prezimena bila arabizirana, ili prilagodjena turskim, u vrijeme vladavine Osmanlija iz vise razloga, o kojim ja ne bih razglabao sada.
p.s. I kod mojih (sa jedne strane familije) je bila "nuzna" promjena prezimena sa Mulajusufovic na Vejzovic...
Istorija bosanskih naroda je veoma komplikovana. Sto je najgore nasi "vrli" istoricari su veoma subjektivni, tako da njihova djela ne volim da citam. Dovoljno je da samo pogledam ime autora i odmah mi je jasno kako ce istoriju da "prekroji". Istorija nazalost nije egzaktna nauka, obicno je pisu pobjednici, mnoga djela istorijske vrijednosti su unistena tokom dugogodisnjih ratova. Stoga evo ovdje navodim sta (kratko) o istoriji Bosne i njenih naroda pise "Encyclopeadia Brittanica". Ne mora znaciti da je njihov pogled sto-posto ispravan no barem je objektivniji, nadam se.
Evo teksta (nazalost link je dostupan samo za pretplatnike):
Bosnia and Herzegovina Encyclopædia Britannica Article
History
Ancient and medieval periods
When the Romans extended their conquests into the territory of modern Bosnia during the 2nd and 1st centuries BC, the people they encountered there belonged mainly to Illyrian tribes. Most of the area of modern Bosnia was incorporated into the Roman province of Dalmatia. During the 4th and 5th centuries AD, Roman armies suffered heavy defeats in this region at the hands of invading Goths. When the Goths were eventually driven out of the Balkans by the Byzantine emperor Justinian I in the early 6th century, the Bosnian territory became, notionally at least, part of the Byzantine Empire.
Slavs began to settle in this territory during the 6th century. A second wave of Slavs in the 7th century included two powerful tribes, the Croats and the Serbs; Croats probably covered most of central, western, and northern Bosnia, while Serbs extended into the Drina River valley and modern Herzegovina. (The terms “Serb” and “Croat” were, in this period, tribal labels; they were subsequently used to refer to the inhabitants of Serbian or Croatian political entities and only later acquired the connotations of ethnic or national identity in the modern sense.)
During the late 8th and early 9th centuries, part of northwestern Bosnia was conquered by Charlemagne´s Franks; this area later became part of Croatia under King Tomislav. After Tomislav´s death in 928, much of Bosnia was taken over by a Serb princedom that acknowledged the sovereignty of the Byzantine Empire. The first recorded mention of Bosnia was written during this period by the Byzantine emperor Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus, who described “Bosona” as a district in “baptized Serbia.” The district he referred to was an area much smaller than modern Bosnia and centred on the Bosna River. Soon after Constantine wrote those words, most of the modern territory of Bosnia reverted to Croatian rule.
During the 11th and 12th centuries Bosnia experienced rule by Byzantium through Croatian or Serb intermediaries, incorporation into a Serb kingdom that had expanded northward from the territory of modern Montenegro and Herzegovina, rule by Hungary, and a brief period of renewed Byzantine rule. After the death of the emperor Manuel I Comnenus in 1180, Byzantine rule fell away but government by Croatia or Hungary was not restored: a Bosnian territory (excluding much of modern Bosnia and all of Herzegovina) thus became, for the first time, an independent entity.
A Bosnian state of some kind existed during most of the period from 1180 to 1463, despite periodic aggression from the neighbouring kingdom of Hungary, which maintained a theoretical claim to sovereignty over Bosnia. Bosnia enjoyed periods of power and independence, especially under three prominent rulers: Ban Kulin (1180–1204), Ban Stjepan Kotromanic (1322–53), and King Tvrtko I (1353–91). Under Kotromanic, Bosnia expanded southward, incorporating the principality of Hum (modern Herzegovina). During the reign of Tvrtko I, Bosnia expanded farther south and acquired a portion of the Dalmatian coast. For a brief period in the late 14th century, Bosnia was the most powerful state in the western Balkans, though the Greater Bosnia of Tvrtko´s final decades was an exception: for most of the medieval period, Bosnia was mainly a landlocked state, isolated and protected by its impenetrable terrain.
One consequence of this isolation was the development of a distinctive Bosnian church. After the division between Roman and Eastern Orthodox Christianity, most of the Bosnian territory (excluding modern Herzegovina) had been Roman Catholic, but during the long period of isolation from Rome the Bosnian church fell into de facto schism, electing its own leaders from among the heads of the monastic houses. A combination of poor theological training, lax observances, and Eastern Orthodox practices led to frequent complaints from neighbouring areas, beginning in the 1190s, that the Bosnian church was infected with heresy. In 1203 a papal legate was sent to investigate these charges, and Ban Kulin gathered a special council at Bolino Polje (near modern Zenica), where the church leaders signed a declaration undertaking a series of reforms. Most involved correcting lax religious practices; in addition, however, they promised not to shelter heretics in their monasteries. The extent to which these reforms were observed is very uncertain, since over the following century the church in Bosnia became increasingly isolated. Occasional complaints from the 1280s onward still referred to “heretics” in Bosnia, and, by the time the Franciscan order began to operate there in 1340, the official view from Rome was that the entire Bosnian church had fallen into heresy, from which its members needed to be converted.
Since the mid-19th century, many historians have argued that the Bosnian church had adopted the extreme dualist heresy of the Bulgarian Bogomils. Evidence for this view came from the papal denunciations of the Bosnians, which sometimes accused them of Manichaeism, the dualist theology on which Bogomil beliefs were based. In addition, Italian and Dalmatian sources referred to the Bosnians as “Patarins,” a term used in Italy for a range of heretics including the Cathars, whose beliefs were linked to Bogomilism. However, more recent scholarship has suggested that the authors of those denunciations had little or no knowledge of the situation inside Bosnia and that confusion may have been caused by the existence of genuine dualist heretics on the Dalmatian coast. Furthermore, the surviving evidence of the religious practices of the Bosnian church shows that its members accepted many things that Bogomils fiercely rejected, such as the sign of the cross, the Old Testament, the mass, the use of church buildings, and the drinking of wine. The Bosnian church should thus be considered an essentially nonheretical branch of the Catholic church, based in monastic houses in which some Eastern Orthodox practices also were observed. During the 14th century the Franciscans established a network of friaries in Bosnia and spent more than a century trying to convert members of the Bosnian church to mainstream Catholicism. In 1459 this campaign received the full support of the Bosnian king, Stjepan Tomaš, who summoned the clergy of the Bosnian church and ordered them to convert to Catholicism or leave the kingdom. When most of the clergy converted, the back of the Bosnian church was broken.
The final decades of the medieval Bosnian state were troubled by civil war, Hungarian interference, and the threat of Turkish invasion. Turkish armies began raiding Serbia in the 1380s and crossed into Bosnian-ruled Hum (Herzegovina) in 1388; King Tvrtko I sent a large force to fight against them alongside the Serbian army at the Battle of Kosovo Polje in the following year. Tvrtko´s successor, King Ostoja, struggled for possession of the crown against Tvrtko´s illegitimate son, Tvrtko II, who was supported first by the Turks and then by the Hungarians after Ostoja´s death. The nobleman Stefan Vukcic also engaged in tactical alliances against the Bosnian rulers, establishing his own rule over the territory of Hum and giving himself the title herceg (duke), from which the name Herzegovina is derived. Turkish forces captured an important part of central Bosnia in 1448, centred on the settlement of Vrhbosna, which they developed into the city of Sarajevo. In 1463 they conquered most of the rest of Bosnia proper, although parts of Herzegovina and some northern areas of Bosnia were taken over by Hungary and remained under Hungarian control until the 1520s. Vukcic and his son were gradually forced out of their domains, and the last fortress in Herzegovina fell to the Turks in 1482.
Ottoman Bosnia
Bosnia was rapidly absorbed into the Ottoman Empire and was divided into military-administrative districts, or sanjaks (from Turkish sancàk, “banner”). In 1580 a broad area covering modern Bosnia and some surrounding areas of Croatia and Serbia was given the full status of an eyalet, or constituent province of the empire. Bosnia enjoyed this status as a distinct entity throughout the rest of the Ottoman period. The Bosnian eyalet was governed by a vizier and administered through a network of junior pashas and local judges. Land was distributed according to the Ottoman feudal system, in which the holder of a timar (estate) had to report for military duty, bringing and supporting other soldiers. A wide range of taxes was imposed, including the harac, a graduated poll tax on non-Muslims. The notorious system called devsirme was also introduced, under which Christian children were taken off for training in the imperial administration and the Janissary corps, an elite army division. In all these respects, conditions in Bosnia were similar to those in the other conquered areas of Europe.
In one crucial way, however, Bosnia differed from the other Balkan lands (except, later, Albania): a large part of the native population converted to Islam. This was a gradual development; it took more than a hundred years for Muslims to become an absolute majority. There was no mass conversion at the outset, and no mass emigration of Muslims from Turkey. The fundamental reason for the growth of such a large Muslim population in Bosnia may lie in the earlier religious history of the Bosnian state. Whereas neighbouring Serbia had benefited from a strong, territorially organized national church, Bosnia had seen competition in most areas between the Bosnian church and the Roman Catholic church, both of which operated only out of monastic houses. In Herzegovina a third church, the Serbian Orthodox, had also competed. Christianity was thus structurally weaker in Bosnia than in almost any other part of the Balkans. The motives that inclined Bosnians to adopt Islam were partly economic: the prosperous cities of Sarajevo and Mostar were mainly Muslim, and it was not possible to lead a full civic life there without converting to Islam. Other motives included the privileged legal status enjoyed by Muslims and, possibly, a desire to avoid the harac, though Muslims were subject, unlike Christians, both to the alms tax and to the duties of general military service. But the traditional belief that Bosnian noblemen converted en masse to Islam in order to keep their estates has been largely disproved by modern historians.
Another way in which Bosnia differed from other parts of the Ottoman Balkans is that for most of the Ottoman period Bosnia was a frontier province, facing two of the empire´s most important enemies, Austria-Hungary and Venice. To fill up depopulated areas of northern and western Bosnia, the Ottomans encouraged the migration of large numbers of hardy settlers with military skills from Serbia and Herzegovina. Many of these settlers were Vlachs, members of a pre-Slav Balkan population that had acquired a Latinate language and specialized in stock breeding, horse raising, long-distance trade, and fighting. Most were members of the Serbian Orthodox church. Before the Ottoman conquest, that church had had very few members in the Bosnian lands outside Herzegovina and the eastern strip of the Drina valley; there is no definite evidence of any Orthodox church buildings in central, northern, or western Bosnia before 1463. During the 16th century, however, several Orthodox monasteries were built in those parts of Bosnia, apparently to serve the newly settled Orthodox population there.
Major wars affecting Bosnia took place almost every two generations throughout the Ottoman period. Bosnia was an important recruiting ground for Süleyman I the Magnificent´s campaign to conquer Hungary (1520–33); there was fighting on Bosnia´s borders during his final Hungarian campaign of 1566; and the large-scale Habsburg-Ottoman conflict of 1593–1606 was sparked by fighting in the Bihac region of northwestern Bosnia. This war left Bosnia financially drained and militarily exhausted. A Venetian-Ottoman war began in the 1640s and lasted until 1669, involving heavy fighting and destruction in parts of western Bosnia. In the Habsburg-Ottoman war of 1683–99, Austria reconquered Ottoman Hungary and Slavonia, sending a flood of Muslim refugees (mainly converted Slavs) into Bosnia. In 1697 a small Austrian army under Prince Eugene of Savoy marched into the heart of Bosnia, put Sarajevo to the torch, and hurried back to Austrian territory, taking thousands of Catholic Bosnians. In the next major war (1714–1 Austria joined forces with Venice; at the Treaty of Passarowitz (Pozarevac) in 1718, Venetian-ruled Dalmatia was allowed to extend its territory inland, reaching a line that since then has formed part of the southwestern border of Bosnia. Austria invaded Bosnia again in 1736 but was repelled by local forces; at the subsequent peace settlement (the Treaty of Belgrade, 1739), Austria gave up its claim to the territory south of the Sava River. This settlement formed the basis of the northern border of modern Bosnia. Austria seized more territory after invading Bosnia again in 1788, but it yielded up its gains at the peace settlement in 1791.
The chronic fighting weakened Bosnia. War necessitated increased taxation, causing tax revolts. Forced conscription and frequent plague epidemics led to a relative reduction in the Muslim population, which contributed its manpower to Ottoman campaigns throughout the empire and may have suffered disproportionately from the effects of plague in the cities. In the 18th century there was strong growth in the Christian population; by the end of the century the Muslims were probably no longer in the majority. The social consequences of war also included a change in the system of land tenure: increasingly, the old feudal timar estates were converted into a type of private estate known as a ciftlik, in response to the imperial treasury´s need for cash instead of old-style feudal service. The conditions of work demanded of the peasants on these estates were usually much more severe, and these peasants tended increasingly to be Christians, since Muslim peasants were able to acquire smallholdings in their own right.
Nevertheless, Ottoman Bosnia was not permanently sunk in misery. Descriptions of Sarajevo by visiting travelers portray it as one of the wonders of the Balkans, with fountains, bridges, schools, libraries, and mosques. Fine mosques were also built in towns such as Foca and Banja Luka. (Many of these buildings were systematically demolished by Serb forces in 1992–93.) Numerous works of poetry, philosophy, and theology were written. The cities of Sarajevo and Mostar, where such urban culture flourished, enjoyed a large degree of autonomy under elected officials. After the Bosnian viziers moved out of Sarajevo in the 1690s, they found it almost impossible to return, residing instead in the town of Travnik and exercising only limited power. Real local power passed increasingly into the hands of a type of hereditary official (unique to the Bosnian eyalet) known as a kapetan.
The existence of these powerful local institutions meant that Bosnia was well equipped to resist the reforming measures that the Ottoman sultans began to issue in the early 19th century. When Sultan Mahmud II reformed the military in 1826 and abolished the Janissary corps (which had acquired the status of a privileged social institution), the reform was fiercely resisted by local Janissaries in Bosnia. The Ottoman authorities mounted punitive campaigns against the Janissaries´ stronghold, Sarajevo, in 1827 and 1828. In 1831 a charismatic young kapetan called Husein seized power in Bosnia, imprisoning the vizier in Travnik. With an army of 25,000 men, Husein then marched into Kosovo to negotiate with the Ottoman grand vizier, demanding local autonomy for Bosnia and an end to the reform process there. But the grand vizier stirred up a rivalry between Husein and the leading kapetan of Herzegovina, Ali-aga Rizvanbegovic, and in the following year Husein´s support melted away when a large Ottoman army entered Bosnia. Rizvanbegovic´s reward was that Herzegovina was separated from the Bosnian eyalet as a distinct territory under his rule. Further reforms announced by Sultan Abdülmecid I, involving new rights for Christian subjects, a new basis for army conscription, and an end to the much-hated system of tax-farming, were either resisted or ignored by the powerful Bosnian landowners. During these final decades of Ottoman rule, Muslims were violently expelled from Serbia; the rise of Serbia as a quasi-autonomous Christian province made Bosnian Muslims feel more isolated and vulnerable, and the increasing role of foreign powers (especially Austria and Russia) as “protectors” of the interests of Christians in the Balkans also raised their suspicions. Bosnian landowners, feeling that they could no longer trust the Ottoman authorities in Constantinople (now Istanbul) to maintain their power, frequently turned to more repressive measures against their Christian subjects.
However, two Bosnian governors succeeded in forcing through some of the sultan´s reforms and curbing local resistance. The first of these, Omer-paša Latas, crushed a major rebellion in 1850–51 and revoked the separate status of Herzegovina. The second, Topal Osman-paša, introduced a new method of military conscription in 1865 and a completely new administrative system in 1866, dividing Bosnia into seven sanjaks and establishing a consultative assembly. He also built schools, roads, and a public hospital and allowed the two Christian communities to build new schools and churches of their own. Tax demands on Bosnian peasants continued to grow. In 1875 a revolt against the state tax collectors began among Christian peasants in the Nevesinje region of
Herzegovina; unrest soon spread to other areas of Bosnia, and repressive force was applied both by the new Bosnian governor and by local landowners using their own irregular troops. Serbia and Montenegro declared war on the Ottoman Empire in 1876, and Russia came into the war on their behalf in the following year. When the Serbo-Turkish War ended in 1878, the other great powers of Europe intervened at the Congress of Berlin to counterbalance Russia´s new influence in the Balkans. The congress decided that Bosnia and Herzegovina, while remaining notionally under Turkish sovereignty, would be occupied and governed by Austria-Hungary. In 1878 Austro-Hungarian troops took control of Bosnia, overcoming vigorous resistance from local Bosnian forces; they also occupied the neighbouring sanjak of Novi Pazar, which had been one of the seven Bosnian sanjaks in the late Ottoman period.
Bosnia under Austro-Hungarian rule
Bosnia was declared a “crown land” and was governed by a special joint commission under the Common Ministry of Finance. The Ottoman administrative division of Bosnia was preserved, and Ottoman laws were only gradually replaced or supplemented. This policy of gradualism was the most striking aspect of Austro-Hungarian rule in Bosnia under the Common Finance Minister Benjamin Kállay, a specialist in Slav history who directed Bosnian policy from 1882 to 1903. Indeed, a common criticism of Austro-Hungarian rule was that little was done to resolve tensions between landlords and peasants. In other areas, however, Kállay´s rule was extremely active. A public works program was initiated, and by 1907 Bosnia had a well-developed infrastructure, including an extensive railway and road network. Mines and factories were developed, and agriculture was promoted with model farms and training colleges. Three high schools and nearly 200 primary schools were built, although compulsory education was not introduced until 1909.
While he succeeded in many of these areas of practical improvement, Kállay failed in his central political project: developing a Bosnian national consciousness to insulate the people of Bosnia from the growing movements of Croatian, Serbian, and Yugoslav (“South Slav”) nationalism. Catholic and Orthodox people of Bosnia had begun by the mid-19th century to identify themselves as “Croats” and “Serbs.” At the same time, Muslim intellectuals were campaigning for greater powers over the Islamic institutions of Bosnia, thereby becoming quasi-political representatives of a Muslim community with its own distinctive interests. During the first decade of the 20th century, “national organizations” of Muslims, Serbs, and Croats were set up that functioned as embryonic political parties. In response, Kállay´s successor, István, Baron von Burián, granted a degree of autonomy in religious affairs to both the Muslims and the Serbs.
In October 1908 nationalist feeling was strongly aroused by the sudden announcement that Bosnia would be fully annexed by Austria-Hungary. The decision, which caught other great powers by surprise and created a diplomatic crisis lasting many months, was prompted by the revolution of the Young Turks in Constantinople, who appeared ready to establish a more democratic regime in Turkey, which could then plausibly reclaim Turkish rights over Bosnia. Inside Bosnia, one effect of this change was beneficial: Burián felt able to promote democratic institutions, introducing a parliament there (with limited powers) in 1910. But the bitter resentment that the annexation caused among Serb and South Slav nationalists led to the growth of revolutionary groups and secret societies dedicated to the overthrow of Habsburg rule. One of these, Mlada Bosna (“Young Bosnia”), was especially active in Bosnian schools and universities. Tension was heightened by the First Balkan War of 1912–13, in which Serbia expanded southward, driving Turkish forces out of Kosovo, Novi Pazar, and Macedonia. In May 1913 the military governor of Bosnia, General Oskar Potiorek, declared a state of emergency, dissolving the parliament, closing down Serb cultural associations, and suspending the civil courts. The heir to the Habsburg throne, Archduke Francis Ferdinand, traveled to Bosnia to review a military exercise. He entered Sarajevo and was killed there on June 28, 1914, by a young assassin from the Mlada Bosna organization, Gavrilo Princip, who had received some assistance from inside Serbia. Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia one month later, precipitating World War I.
Bosnia was under military rule throughout World War I, and repressive measures were applied to those Bosnian Serbs whose loyalty was suspect. At the end of the war, Bosnian politicians from each of the three main communities followed the political leaders of Croatia and Slovenia in throwing off Habsburg rule and joining in the creation of a new South Slav state, the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes.
Bosnia in the Yugoslav kingdom
When the constitution of this new state was finally settled in June 1921, Bosnia retained no formal status of its own; however, its outline was preserved on the map, in the form of six oblasti (provinces) corresponding to the sanjaks (excluding that of Novi Pazar) of the late Ottoman period. Serfdom was abolished, but Bosnia remained something of a social and political backwater in the Yugoslav kingdom. In the territorial division of 1929, Bosnia was divided between four other administrative districts and thus was wiped off the map. Further adjustments were made in 1939, with the creation of a special Croatian territory within Yugoslavia that included portions of Bosnian territory. In 1941, after the Axis invasion of Yugoslavia, the entire Bosnian territory was absorbed into the puppet state known as the Independent State of Croatia.
The killing that took place in Bosnia between 1941 and 1945 was terrible in both scale and complexity. The Ustaša, the fascist movement that ruled Croatia during the war, exterminated most of Bosnia´s 14,000 Jews and massacred Serbs on a large scale: more than 100,000 Serbs from Bosnia died in this way, roughly half in death camps. Two organized resistance movements emerged, a Serb royalist force known as the Chetniks, led by Draza Mihailovic, and the communist Partisan force (including Serbs, Croats, and Muslims) led by Josip Broz Tito. The sharply divergent aims of the two movements resulted in a civil war. Royalist forces turned increasingly to German and Italian forces for assistance and committed atrocities against Bosnian Muslims; some Bosnian Muslims joined an SS division that operated in northern and eastern Bosnia for six months during 1944, exacting reprisals against the local Serb population. The Partisans liberated Sarajevo in April 1945 and declared a “people´s government” for Bosnia later that month. It is estimated that the total number of deaths in Bosnia during the war was 164,000 Serbs, 75,000 Muslims, and 64,000 Croats.
Bosnia in communist Yugoslavia
In 1946 the Socialist Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina became one of the constituent republics of the Federal People´s Republic of Yugoslavia. Life in Bosnia underwent all the social, economic, and political changes that were imposed on the whole of Yugoslavia by its new communist government, but Bosnia was particularly affected by the abolition of many traditional Muslim institutions, such as Qur´anic primary schools, rich charitable foundations, and dervish religious orders. However, a change of official policy in the 1960s led to the acceptance of “Muslim” as a term denoting a national identity: the phrase “Muslim in the ethnic sense” was used in the 1961 census, and in 1968 the Bosnian Central Committee decreed that “the Muslims are a distinct nation.” By 1971 Muslims formed the largest single component of the Bosnian population. During the next 20 years the Serb and Croat populations fell in absolute terms as the relative backwardness of the Bosnian economy led many Serbs and Croats to emigrate. In the 1991 census Muslims formed 44 percent of the Bosnian population, while Serbs made up 31 percent and Croats 17 percent. From the mid-1990s, the term Bosniac had replaced Muslim as the name for this group.
In the 1980s the rapid decline of the Yugoslav economy led to widespread public dissatisfaction with the political system. This attitude, together with the manipulation of nationalist feelings by politicians, destabilized Yugoslav politics. Independent political parties appeared in 1988. In early 1990 multiparty elections were held in Slovenia and Croatia; when elections were held in Bosnia in December, new parties representing the three national communities gained seats in rough proportion to their populations. A tripartite coalition government was formed, with the Bosniac politician Alija Izetbegovic leading a joint presidency. Growing tensions both inside and outside Bosnia, however, made cooperation with the Serbian Democratic Party, led by Radovan Karadzic, increasingly difficult.
In 1991 several self-styled “Serb Autonomous Regions” were declared in areas of Bosnia with large Serb populations. Evidence emerged that the Yugoslav People´s Army was being used to send secret arms deliveries to the Bosnian Serbs from Belgrade. In August the Serbian Democratic Party began boycotting the Bosnian presidency meetings; in October it removed its deputies from the Bosnian assembly and set up a “Serb National Assembly” in Banja Luka. By then full-scale war had broken out in Croatia, and the breakup of Yugoslavia was under way. Bosnia´s position became highly vulnerable. The possibility of partitioning Bosnia had been discussed during talks between the Croatian president, Franjo Tudjman, and the Serbian president, Slobodan Miloševic, earlier in the year, and two Croat “communities” in northern and southwestern Bosnia, similar in some ways to the “Serb Autonomous Regions,” were proclaimed in November 1991. When the European Community (EC; now European Union) recognized the independence of Croatia and Slovenia in December, it invited Bosnia to apply for recognition also. A referendum on independence was held February 29–March 1, 1992, although Karadzic´s party obstructed voting in many Serb-populated areas. Nearly two-thirds of the electorate cast a vote; almost all voted for independence, which was officially proclaimed on March 3 by President Izetbegovic.
Independence and war
Attempts by EC negotiators to promote a new division of Bosnia into ethnic “cantons” during February and March 1992 failed: different versions of these plans were rejected by each of the three main parties. When Bosnia´s independence was recognized by the United States and the EC on April 7, Serb paramilitary forces immediately began firing on Sarajevo, and the bombardment of the city by heavy artillery began soon thereafter. During April many of the towns in eastern Bosnia with large Bosniac populations, such as Zvornik, Foca, and Višegrad, were attacked by a combination of paramilitary forces and Yugoslav army units. Most of the local Bosniac population was expelled from these areas, the first victims in Bosnia of a process described as “ethnic cleansing.” Within six weeks, a coordinated offensive by the Yugoslav army, Serbian paramilitary groups, and local Bosnian Serb forces left roughly two-thirds of Bosnian territory under Serb control. In May the army units and equipment in Bosnia were placed under the command of a Bosnian Serb general, Ratko Mladic.
From the summer of 1992, the military situation remained fairly static. A hastily assembled Bosnian government army, together with some better-prepared Croat forces, held the front lines for the rest of that year, though its power was gradually eroded in parts of eastern Bosnia. The Bosnian government was weakened militarily by an international arms embargo, which had been imposed on the territory of Yugoslavia in September 1991, and by a conflict with Croat forces, which broke out on a large scale in February 1993 and was not settled until an agreement in March 1994 created a Croat-Bosniac federation in Bosnia.
The United Nations (UN) refused to intervene in the war in Bosnia but sent troops to facilitate the delivery of humanitarian aid; this mandate was later extended to the protection of a number of UN-declared “safe areas.” Meanwhile, a series of peace proposals initiated by various international groups and based on a division of Bosnia along ethnic lines failed, largely because of the Serbs´ refusal to concede any territory (70 percent of Bosnia was under Serb control by 1994). It was estimated that by the end of 1994 at least 200,000 people had died and more than 2,000,000 had been driven from their homes.
A cease-fire negotiated in December 1994 generally held until mid-March 1995. In May, North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) forces launched air strikes on Serb targets after the Serb military refused to comply with a UN ultimatum to remove all heavy weapons from a 12-mile exclusion zone around Sarajevo. In retaliation the Serbs shelled UN safe areas and took more than 370 UN peacekeeping troops hostage. Further NATO air strikes against Serb targets in late August and September, together with a new offensive by the Army of Bosnia and Herzegovina and Croatian forces in northern Bosnia, helped bring about U.S.-sponsored peace talks in Dayton, Ohio, in November. Formalized in Paris in December, the agreement that resulted from those talks called for a federalized Bosnia in which 51 percent of the land (including Gorazde, connected by a land corridor to Sarajevo) would constitute the Croat-Bosniac federation and 49 percent (including UN safe areas Srebrenica and Zepa, which had fallen to the Serbs in July 1995) would constitute the Serb Republic. To enforce the agreement, a new 60,000-member international force was deployed. Federal and regional elections in September 1996 produced a tripartite national presidency chaired by Izetbegovic but including Croat and Serb representatives. Karadzic, who had been indicted by the war crimes tribunal meeting in The Hague, was prohibited by the Dayton accords from being a candidate. The federal legislature, with seats apportioned to each ethnic group, was dominated by nationalist parties.
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Re: Re: Re: Bosansko porijeklo
Interesantno kako neko (mislim na ove strance) uvijek vise zna o nama od nas samih--ma kakvo interesantno, ironicno u najmanju ruku. Ali hajde, ja ipak mislim da je mnogo vaznije ono kamo idemo od onoga odakle smo dosli, jer zalosno je da nam proslost uvijek bude smjernica buducnosti...
A za sljedeci citat iz EB bi pojedini savremeni historicari bosanskog bogomilizma ubili (imati ovo misljenje je za iste hereza): "Furthermore, the surviving evidence of the religious practices of the Bosnian church shows that its members accepted many things that Bogomils fiercely rejected, such as the sign of the cross, the Old Testament, the mass, the use of church buildings, and the drinking of wine."
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24-12-2003 at 06:11 |
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Re: Bosansko porijeklo
Meni je ova tema zanimljiva i bas bih procitala sta vise o ovome .
Da se ja malo igram kao teski amater geneticar.
Koliko je meni poznato sve sto je tamno ,kosa ,oci ,boja koze je dominantno ,u kombinaciji tamnih i plavih ociju ,dijete ce imati tamne ,jedino ako se i kod roditelja sa tamnim ocima njegovi roditelji ili djedovi imali plave i djete ce imati.
Nikad nisam u Bosni srela covjeka one cickave ,frckave ),ostre kose kao kod Arapa ,pa da smo se s njima puno mijesali morao bi neko biti .
Da ne komplikujem u Bosni su ceste svijetle oci ,one prave crne su bas rijetke ,ljudi su uglavnom svijetlog tena ,i kada imaju tamnu kosu .
Mislim da je Bosna specificna koliko se tu naroda susretalo ,i medjusobno zenilo pa smo dobili nas Bosance i Hercegovce , ljude koju imaju svacije krvi ,zato su cesto lijepi ,cesto zilavi ,otporni ,zdravi malo je kod nas onih anemicnih faca .
Nema ni onig tipicnog izgleda kako sto neke nacije imaju .Ima nas crnih ,smjedjih ,plavih a i crvenokosih ,visokih i niskih ,......a cini mi se najcesce smedja kosa ,svijetli ten.
Pogledajte Turke ,gotovo svi su crni ,tamnog tena ,zene krupnije ,tankog struka i oblih grudi i bokova .(svaka koju sam srela je takva)
Kinezi mali i kao zift crne kose .Ljudi s Kosova cesto niski kao i Makedonci a Crnogorci jednom proglaseni za najvisu naciju u Evropi .Kod nas nema te tipicnosti ,nas ima svakavih hahaha a svi su   ..jesam li subjektiva hahahah
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